TalkTV turned explosive on Wednesday when discussing the Southport murders. (Image: TalkTV)
turned explosive on Wednesday morning when presenter Mike Graham clashed with Lord Alex Carlile after it was revealed the Southport killer had been referred to the anti-extremism scheme Prevent three times before the murders took place.
Mike challenged the barrister, saying that Prevent is “not fit for purpose” and questioned what good the government-led programme has done.
Lord Carlile hit back: “Prevent does what it says on the tin,” before Mike interrupted: “Well, it hasn’t prevented anything, has it? It hasn’t prevented young children being killed, it hasn’t prevented the London Bridge attacker from killing people.
“It has failed multiple times to protect the British public, so therefore, the word ‘Prevent’ is not a suitable moniker for the organisation.”
Lord Carlile implored the host to let him answer the question and stop interrupting him, which angered the breakfast show host even more.
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Mike Graham furiously clashes with Lord Alex as he defends the track record of Prevent. Mike: “Talk to me as an equal or else you can get lost!”Lord Alex: “I’m gonna answer your question if you shut up for a minute.”
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He raged: “I am not going to be spoken down to like some kind of child, OK? I don’t know who you think you are. Just because you are a lord doesn’t give you the ability to lord it over the rest of the public, OK?
“Talk to me as an equal or else you can get lost, frankly.”
Lord Carlile said: “I thought you were a journalist? Now, I’m going to answer your question if you will shut up for a minute.
“Prevent has done a large deal of good. Prevent has prevented large numbers of people from becoming terrorists but it cannot succeed in every case, and you cannot expect it to succeed in every case.”
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Axel Rudakubana pleaded guilty to murdering three girls in Southport. (Image: PA)
Axel Rudakubana, 18, pleaded guilty on Monday to murdering three girls at a Taylor Swift-themed dance class in Southport, Merseyside, in July.
The teenager pleaded guilty to possessing a knife on the date of the attack, production of a biological toxin, ricin, on or before July 29, and possession of information likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing to commit an act of terrorism.
It has now been revealed that documents about Nazi Germany, the Rwandan genocide and car bombs were found on Rudakubana’s devices during police searches of his home.
Despite Rudakubana’s contact with state agencies such as Prevent, authorities failed to stop the attack which claimed the lives of Alice da Silva Aguiar, nine, Bebe King, six, and Elsie Dot Stancombe, seven.
Home Secretary Yvette Cooper announced an inquiry into the case on Monday evening, telling MPs on Tuesday the Government will “consider the wider challenge of rising youth violence” and that requests will be made to tech companies to remove online material accessed by Rudakubana.
She said it was a “disgrace” Rudakubana had been able to buy a knife from Amazon, and shared he had been stopped more than 10 times before for carrying a knife.
The online retail giant is also where he bought ingredients needed to make ricin, the Times reported.